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  1. Elderstorm

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    Just for everyone reference this is from the magazine PC GAMER, and i have read this a few times today and thought i would write it up, yes i have typed this out from 6 pages, as i have not been able to find this article anywhere on the internet, so hope you find it useful, i mentions somethings that have not been discussed yet in the forums, and this issue only came out last week. also please excuse the poor images as i had to photograph them from my phone :D

    BREAKING THE CYCLE: THE ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE adapts the sandbox RPG.

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    It starts, as it always does, in prison. But The Elder Scrolls Online’s take on the series’ traditional opening is a little different. You’ve been captured and sacrificed to the Daedric prince Molag Bal, harvester of souls. You wake in Coldharbour, Bal’s particular plan of Oblivion. Unlike Mehrunes Dagon’s Deadlands – which you stormed through again and again in TES IV – Coldharbour is a drab, lifeless reflection of the surface world. Your escape from this place and back to reality constitutes The Elder Scrolls Online’s tutorial. My time with the game began immediately after this point.

    Where you end up after Coldharbour depends on which of the three factions you belong to. The Aldmeri Dominion, composed of High Elves, Wood Elves, and the cat-like Khajiit, are imperious conquerors from the south. The Ebonheart Pact are an alliance of convenience between Skyrim’s Nord, Morrowind’s Dark Elves and the stealthy Argonians – they’re keen to hold on to their independence, but need each other in order to do it. I played the first six levels of the game as a member of Daggerfall Covenant: the Bretons, Redguard and Orcs who form The Elder Scrolls Online’s final faction.

    Ocean’s eleven
    As such, my character began life in the sea off the coast of Stros M’Kai – an island not seen in the series since 1998 standalone adventure Redguard. I was rescued by pirates and put to work recruiting specialists for a heist that would secure my new crew passage off the island. So begins the 50-level personal narrative that leads you through Zenimax Online Studios’ take on Tamriel, zone by zone. So far, then, so MMO.

    Those of you that feared that The Elder Scrolls Online would amount to another cash-in MMO with a big name behind it have ti wrong, but the counter-position – the promise of a casualty-free marriage of emergent RPG and online game – doesn’t quite hit the mark either. From my first moment in the game it is clear that TESO is the product of a measured and negotiation between opposing forces: the traditional MMO and the singleplayer game, ambitious and technology, the demands of the community and the views of its designers. It’s successes and failures alike are produced by that process.

    “Were not trrying to top Skyrim,” game director Matt Firor says. “If you want to play skyrim – go play Skyrim! We’re doing something a little bit different. It should feel comfortable to people who play Elder Scrolls games, but it’s its own game in it’s own right.”
    The first thing that struck me, wandering the streets of the coastal town of Hunding, is how minimal the interface is by MMO standards. Most of the time you’ll be looking at your crosshair, a minimap, and subtle chat window in the corner of the screen. Status bars and numbered hotkey slots only appear when they’re needed, leaving your view of the world uncluttered.

    There’ll be first-person option, too. While it wasn’t present in the build I tried, I was shown the game being played in Skyrim-style in a later demonstration. This should come as a relief to players who feared that one of the defining features of the series had been ignored, and I asked Matt Frior why the company had kept its inclusion so quiet.

    “We always knew it was something players were going to want. We’re still in the process of doing it. In a first-person single player game, all the graphical effects are turned to be [only so far] in front of me. Ina multiplayer game, the same effects has to work far away from the camera when you’re looking at it, and from a hundred meters away when another player is looking at you.”

    The developers anticipate that players will prefer a zoomed-out view for certain styles of play – particularly the Dark Age of Camelot-style mass PvP – but the option is there, and it works. First person view also makes it easier to appreciate the above-average degree of interactivity in The Elder Scrolls Online’s World.

    Pick me ups
    Books on the shelves and tables can be read, and in some cases these lead to quests or earn you experience. Potions and other consumables can be gathered from barrels and chests. It’s not as high-fidelity as Skyrim – there are no dynamic physics objects, and the greater majority of items are static and cannot be interacted with – but it works as an MMO adaption of a traditional Elder Scrolls idea.

    Combat gets a similar treatment. As in previous games, you press the left mouse button to swing or fire your weapon and hold the right mouse button to block. Power attacks can be charged up and enemy spells can be interrupted with a bash. On top of this is six hot keyed abilities, an ultimate ability, and a hot keyed consumable item such as healing potions. Spells and special moves are cast instantly and have no cooldown: instead of establishing a combat relation a la World of Warcraft, it’s a lot closer to Skyrim and Oblivion handled favourites menu. Unlike those games, however, spells don’t need to be assigned to a hand before they can be cast- so expect to see a lot more missing and matching of weapons and magic. Success in combat is a case of expending your reserves of health, stamina and magicka to suit the situation. Locking, dodging and using special melee attacks, for example, all consume regeneration stamina reserve, making split-second decisions just as important as theory crafting a great skill build.

    At your fingertips
    “You can’t pause the game in an MMO, so what we did was provide you with shortcuts,” lead gameplay designer Nick Konkle says. “That’s something that was necessitated by what we do in MMOs, but actually I really enjoyed having access to multiple different spells. I like what that does to our game.”
    The main weakness of the combat system at the moment is feedback. Ditching the scrolling numbers of a traditional MMO to enhance immersion is praiseworthy, but uit needs to be replaced by something and at the moment The Elder Scrolls Online’s animations and sound effects don’t sell the impact of your blows str9ongly enough. Remember whittling down an unresponsive dragon with an iron sword in Skyrim? This is one area where the game could do with breaking from the past.

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    Each zone has a primary narrative to follow with optional objectives branching off from it, and secrets to discover if you decide to push at the boundaries of the map. Moving on from Hunding I fought through my first Dwemer ruin, using a control rod to direct an ancient spider robot as I made my way through a series of environmental traps. Later I unearthed a chest containing a note that led me across the map, following landmarks to find a buried treasure. As I did this, I was continually recruiting NPCs to my side: a High Elf researcher, a human scoundrel, and a stealthy pirate queen. These encounters ended in decisions about the fates of characters that I’m told will impact the sotry later on, and this promise was borne out in the composition of the group that I eventually left Stros M’Kai with – and who showed up in the second quest line I played.

    Like World of Warcraft: Mist of Pandaria, The Elder Scrolls Online uses phasing to subtly change each zone to reflect the player’s actions. Depending on the choices you make the NPCs you see – even the enemies you fight – may be different to those of other players. Whilst this design decision somewhat punctures then sense that everyone shares the same world, its execution is impressive in the way that a good magic trick is impressive. Playing the game, I was aware of how it was doing what it was doing, but only rarely was I fully aware of what it was doing. Briefly grouped with another player, for example, I noticed that he was accompanied by an anonymous mercenary. I was travelling with an important named character that we both must have met. Then I realised: that mercenary was the same character, but the game presented him differently to me to preserve the sense that my experience was unique. It’s an act of deception, but I prefer it to seeing dozens of identical twins running around, Old Republic-style.

    RPG online
    “The phasing id very local, “Konkle says. “It’s not hammering you in the face. You can play with a group and not aware certain things are going on that are necessary in MMOs.”

    At the beginning of my time with the game, Firor explained that Zenimax Online set out to make an RPG first and an MMO second – and as overly neat as that claim sounds, there are areas where it holds up to scrutiny. I was particularly impressed by The Elder Scrolls Online’s character progression and crafting systems, both of which have a hot at improving on what the Elder Scrolls games have achieved previously.

    Leveling up earns you points to invest in your health, stamina or magicka pools, and a single skill point to invest in an active or passive ability in any number of skill lines. You start with around 15 – one for your race, three for your class, one for each type of weapon in the game, and one for each of light, medium and heavy armour. Bonuses are varied but consistent – medium armour, for example, is for stealth, while light is geared towards magic and heavy towards defense. There are no restrictions: if you want to deck your mage out in heavy armour and give them lots of defensive perks, that’s up to you. Your class is just an additional set of skill lines intended to diversify characters in the early game.

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    “I strongly feel that when you start to play a game you have a role in your mind that you want to do,” Firor says. “Having four classes gives you the ability to at least start out on a path”

    As you progress you’ll pick up additional skill lines, including exclusive sets of abilities for members of the Fighters’ Guild, Mages’ Guild, vampires, werewolves, PvP players and more. The Dark Brotherhood and Thieves’ Guild won’t be in the game at launch, but these will also have their own skill lines in time. The strength of the skill system is how modular it is: there are plenty of hooks for Zenimax Online to expand it post-release, and given that player has access to a finaite pool of point’s it’s easier to keep balanced.

    There are five crafting professions: armoursmith, weaponsmith, enchanter, alchemist and provisioner (or ‘cook’). It’s possible to dabble in all five but only master one, and whatever you want to make will require experimentation akin to Skyrim’s alchemy system. Ingredients gathered in the wild – through mining, exploration and hunting – each have four hidden properties that can be applied to items, and these unlock as you reverse engineer looted equipment and skill-up in your chosen craft. You can then use additives to customize the good you produce: adding elemental damage to an axe, for example, or stamina regeneration to a healing potion.

    Crafting and the economy will be closely tied with PvP, where each faction clashed over fortresses in Molag Bal-controlled Cyrodiil. You’ll need craftsmen to upgrade your rams and trebuchets and to contribute towards repairing wall after a siege. Owning multiple adjacent keeps establishes a transport network to fast-travel to the front line, but territory can be conquered in any order, and the devs expect behind-the-lines guerrilla action to be a key precursor to a major offensive. The game itself won’t have shards – all players will occupy instances on a single server – but players and guilds will be bound to particular ‘campaigns’ for PvP, so the faction war will exist in different states for different people. It’ll be possible to guest in your friends’ campaigns, however.

    Three-handed game
    Having three factions yields serious benefits for PvP on this scale: it prevents one side from ever truly dominant, and even under populated alliances can act as powerful wildcards in the broader conflict. The reason it’s no longer common in MMOs is simple: creating three lots of content for a single game is a tall order when the average player will see, at most, a third of it. The Elder Scrolls Online’s solution to this problem is clever: they've found a way for everyone to see everything.

    Your quest to reclaim your soul from Molag Bal will take place in the territories of your chosen faction and lead you to level 50. Then, you’ll be asked to choose a second faction to play through in what amounts to ‘new game plus’ mode. You’ll go through previously-inaccessible zones whose difficulty and loot has been enhanced for a top-tier player. When you've finished, you pick your third and final faction and play through that. You’ll still only be able to group and socialize with people from your own faction, but no content is locked off – so you can create a Khajiit without fearing you’ll never get to explore Morrowind.

    Creating a stable and fair MMO means sacrificing parts of the Elder Scrolls formula that will alienate certain fans. Mods are, as you’d expect, out: as is stealing everything that isn’t nailed down, murdering townsfolk at random, and filling ravines with cabbages. If you are willing to accept that this compromises is necessary in order to provide a different experience, The Elder Scrolls Online is worth paying attention to. An MMO doesn't need to inherit every aspect of a single player experience to benefit from its influence.
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    First of all, if you really wrote this up, you're insane..but I love you! :D

    Very interesting read /like!
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    It took ages :), i did it originally for our guild, but love this layout of this site, so clean and crisp and website achievements, that is such a great concept, im expecting great things from www.tesoelite.com, i think this has such potential to take off, with shadowedmare dying and tesof not being so active the only other choice is the foundry, but this, this has the potential to go boom. Keep up the good work folks
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    This is from PAX or the press event in October? I've read most of the gameplay stories from different outlets so there's nothing new to me. Still, a good read and props to the OP for taking the effort ;)
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    Thanks for the kind words, we'll do our best :D

    Now for the article, it's a nicely written gameplay experience, will come in handy around here for the new blood ;) And good job on writing all of this..you're insane! :p
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    I've heard this in many other reviews and I'm kinda worried. Sure it's a Beta but if all the ES games had something in common was that they were released full of bugs. I'm not saying this will be the case and they'll have the time to fix/tweak stuff, I so really hope they don't rush this.
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    Jefe,

    That is precisely the kind of thing that can easily be patched in BUT as history indicates it often doesn't.

    Its not entirely the end of the game if combat isn't visceral but it would have been nice.
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    Sometimes I'm glad I wasn't invited in the beta. Seeing the clunky combat is something I'd like to avoid until the fix it (hopefully). Great article tho, thanks for sharing this :)
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    Just changed "and these unlock as you reserve engineer looted equipment and skill-up in your chosen craft"

    reserve > reverse

    just got pointed out to me :D thankyou
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    I do so like the idea of reverse engineering. I just hope its a bit more reliable than RE in swtor.
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    Really nice. A pleasant reading, i hope to see more of these :)
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    thankyou everyone for your kind comments :D
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    Good job Eldric Elderstorm. Hope everyone paid attention to last statement in it!

    "Creating a stable and fair MMO means sacrificing parts of the Elder Scrolls formula that will alienate certain fans"

    If I remember right some of the worst hate statements about SWTOR came from Kotor fans. As we get more info on TESO, I am
    sure we will hear from some of the ES diehards. But then again maybe thats why info about game is so slow in coming. :(
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    they can't please everybody and as I've have seen, some players expect Skyrim with a multiplayer option. That won't be the case and shouldn't be the case.
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    LOL just like SWTOR. Sort of reminds me of my friend. he played UO for about ten years. I would try to get him to try different games, he usually asked me if they had houses, when I would say no, he would reply "not interested then". I think was it is many people don't want get out of their comfort zones and really are unwilling to give new games (or other things) a fair chance.
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    I knew more than a few kotor fans who were put off by a lot of things in swtor, but an equal number of them were just frustrated at how close to greatness the game was in never fully realizing its own potential.

    To this day I firmly believe it would have taken maybe 3 more months in development, and better post launch management but I do believe SWTOR could have legitimately "killed" or rather stopped WoWs reign as current champ. SWTOR had so many good ideas, and so much good content, it just wasn't QUITE where it had to be, it wasn't competeing to vanilly wow, it was competing with a wow that had been out for years and had refined itself over the years.

    In terms of TESO, im ok with the game having problems and flaws out of the gate, every good mmo does.... but the real litmus test is in how the post-launch management goes. Do they fix the issues, add features, add content in a timely manner? If the answer is yes chances most of us will be playing the game 3-5 years from now. If not then well probably give it a few months, have some fun then move on.
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    I am sure that SWTOR did the same thing all the other companies do (including Blizzard). As soon as the game launches, they get rid of most the developing staff. Depending who they keep will determine what the follow up will be. It broke my heart that with each major patch for SWTOR, I could see the game losing steam. Like you Sandman, I have always thought the true test will be the major patches after the release.

    And you are so right about every MMO has problems on launch. But for gods sake, I haven't seen one that put a major push to fix the bugs right away. Sure they will hot fix something real major (I believe only due to them being afraid that people will quit) and some of the bugs after awhile, but I have seen bugs in the major games lasts for months with out being fix.

    LOL us gamers are the only group of consumers that will buy a broken or partly broken product and hope they fix it some where along
    the line. There is a whole group of gamers that won't buy games until months after the release and only then if the problems have been fix. (Maybe they are the smart ones!)

    Here would be what I would want from the company for a mmo game:

    Launch to 3-5 days deal with it, get list of what needs to be fixed.

    Starting day 6 to about 2 weeks , start fixing bugs, hot patch them asap, don't wait weeks for a big patch fix, get feed back of what players like, dislike.

    Week 3 on, build on what people like, find way to reduce their dislikes.

    Major Patch (new content) make sure all parts of the game are addressed for what you do! For example, if you add new armor or weapons make sure you add new recipes for crafting. Make sure health potions keep pace with new stuff (always has bugged me, the dps is up so much, and they expect you to use same heal potion from the start of game / expansion),

    And never, never, never screw with several classes, If a class is lagging behind, don't drop 3 or 4 other classes just change the class you are worried about, but find out the real cause of it, it might not be the class, it might all the other classes are just that much more poplular. Too many times have I seen major class changes so rush, they cause tons more problems then they have fixed.

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